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Statis Pro (base 8)
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| w_hild |
Posted on 03/25/2022
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I downloaded (and have enjoyed!) all the P.A.G. Statis Pro (base 8) materials that have been posted here. It's a wonderfully fun game. But there are a few things I do differently.
For stamina, even the "shots" method, I found to be too much a pain in the keister. So, I have devised my own system to ensure proper usage. After shuffling, I always split the F.A.C. deck into two (roughly) equal piles. I laminated the FAC's so it works better for fumble-fingers-me to have two piles. So, in essence, I have two half-quarter decks...each of 90 cards. I look at the minutes per game that a player played, and use this chart to see how many of these "half-quarters" a player can play (similar to how the half-quarters in Real/Life Basketball works)...
43 or more MPG---8 half-quarters (in other words, the whole game)
37 to 42 MPG---7 half-quarters
31 to 36 MPG---6 half-quarters
25-30---5
19-24---4
13-18---3
7-12---2
6 or less---1
OVERTIME?---ALL HANDS ON DECK! Anybody can play, even if they used up all their half-quarters during regulation.
To keep it even more simple, I only sub out players at the first opportunity after each half-quarter of 90 FACs has gone by.
Generally (barring foul trouble) if a player has a rating of 7 half-quarters, I will rest him the second half of the first quarter, and players rated 6 I will rest the whole second quarter. And if a starter is 5, then I try to rest him the second half of the first quarter, and the whole second quarter. What I'm trying to do here is have the starters available for pretty much the entire last half of the game. Not totally realistic, but it works for me.
I have decided not to use a number of features of the game. I don't do the "Consult Z" chart (I just flip another FAC) and I don't do fast break, press, or home index points. To include a home court advantage, I just have the HOME team win every jump ball throughout the game. Again, not perfect OR realistic, but I did want to have there be an advantage to the home team.
And now, my infamous "Wilt Chamberlain variant" (the most controversial of all)...
Wilt generally has only one or two foul numbers in his foul range. In over a thousand games in his career, he never fouled out. However, Wilt has been fouling out in the second or third quarter of many of my games simply because the opposing center always ends up being the FD1. I have yet to have a foul on Chamberlain come from his card. His fouls have always been the result of a Foul Drawing. I went through the FACs and found that exactly half (90) of the deck is FD1. 45 are FD2, 25 are FD3, 15 are FD4, and 5 are FD5. That is just too extreme, and leads to the "wrong" guys getting into foul trouble or fouling out far too much. So, instead of using the FD number on the card, I roll a 20-sided dice, and refer to this chart...
1-6.......FD1
7-11......FD2
12-15....FD3
16-18....FD4
19-20....FD5
As you notice, FD 1 will come up more often than the rest, but not so dramatically. I have found the total number of fouls in the game (both teams totaled) comes out well, but it was the distribution of the fouls that was wonky. Just have started with this simple FD chart, and I will report back the results if it helps keep there from being too many fouls drawn on not enough players.
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| w_hild |
Posted on 03/25/2022
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Oh yeah...one more thing...
You may notice the overall assist totals coming up a bit shy, especially with your top assist men. So here is a way to boost those high assist players, while also boosting the overall number of assists...
If you have a player in the game with an assist rating of at least 11-55, on any "PASS TO CHOICE", have the choice be to that high assist man, and have him advance again if you have an advance left. Not only will you get a chance of the "Use passer assist rating" cards to come up (I LOVE those!) but that passer will get credit for an assist if the next player you passed to scores, even if it wasn't from a "use passer assist rating" card. |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 03/26/2022
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Further tweeks that I'm doing...
Here is a kind of "flow chart" that I do...
ACTION:
...if there is a secondary rating, then advance
...if no secondary rating, look down at the bottom of the FAC. If it says FD1, then shoot. If FD2,3,4, or 5, then advance. This will result in shooting half the time, and advancing half the time.
(FIRST) ADVANCE:
...if the player has a secondary rating, see if he averaged at least 10 points per game.
......(a) if yes, then shoot with field goal rating
...... (b ) if no, then advance again
...if player does not have a secondary rating, then shoot
(SECOND) ADVANCE
...shoot with field goal rating regardless.
PASS TO CHOICE (both under ACTION and ADVANCE)...make the choice be a player without a secondary rating, then pick the one with the least "things" listed on the score sheet. "Things" being field goals, free throws, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, fouls. I score just on a sheet of notebook paper, one event after another on a line for a player, and whoever has the shortest line of "things" so far, receives the "choice" and shoots. If no player is in the game without a secondary rating, pick the player with the highest assist rating, and advance (if possible).
I do this to ensure that players without secondary ratings are kind of "forced" to advance the ball, otherwise you could fall into a trap where a player is shooting too much and not passing enough. Think Oscar Robertson or Magic Johnson. You'd have them with 45 points and 2 assists. You don't want that (I'm assuming). |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/11/2022
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FURTHER UPDATES THAT I DO...
ACTION: Shoot if 20 ppg or more, otherrwise ADVANCE
(first) ADVANCE: Shoot if 10 ppg or more, otherwise ADVANCE
(second) ADVANCE: Must shoot
PASS TO CHOICE: give to a player with 30 ppg or more for a shot. If not, give to highest ASSIST man for an ADVANCE (if possible). If it's already been two advances, then give to highest PPG player for a shot.
OK...with all that in mind, here's a game I played. 1988-89 CLEVELAND (at) 1980-81 MILWAUKEE
CLE---26-48-77-104
MIL---24-54-78-103
(exiting game!)
NOTABLES:
(player---points-rebounds-assists)
B. Daugherty---25-12-1
R. Harper--------17-9-6
M. Price---------22-0-11
Ma. Johnson------29-3-2
S. Moncrief---------8-3-2
J. Bridgeman------19-2-4 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/12/2022
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FURTHER TWEEK..
After first ADVANCE...if the player with the ball averages LESS than 10ppg, look at the bottom of the same card down in the foul section. If it says FD1, then shoot. If FD2,3,4,5 then ADVANCE again.
1971-72 CHICAGO (@) 2010-11 DALLAS
CHI---19-44-69-90
DAL---33-52-80-104
NOTABLES
(name-points-rebounds-assists)
B. Love-------16-9-0
C. Walker---40-11-0
J. Sloan------12-6-4
D. Nowitzki---20-1-0
J. Terry--------17-3-7
J. Kidd---------4-3-11
Nowitzki fouled out at the end of the second quarter. My bad. Wasn't watching as closely as I should have, and thought I could "stretch" Dirk out until halftime, rest him the 3rd quarter, then get him back in for the 4th quarter. I fire myself as coach of the Mavericks.  |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/13/2022
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1976-77 LOS ANGELES (@) 1988-89 DETROIT
LAL---22-54-83-115
DET---28-57-80-114
Another nail biter. Lead flip flopped most of the third and fourth quarter. That kid from New York out of U.C.L.A. made the difference.
NOTABLES
(player---points-rebounds-assists)
C. Russell----------20-6-1
K. Abdul-Jabbar---59-11-0 (!!)
L. Allen------------10-3-9
D. Chaney----------1-2-12
D. Rodman---------15-9-3
M. Aguirre----------18-6-3
I. Thomas----------23-3-5
J. Dumars----------10-2-9 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/14/2022
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1991-92 GOLDEN STATE (@) 1976-77 HOUSTON
GSW---24-56-90-114
HOU---29-73-99-127
NOTABLES
(Player---Points-Rebounds-Assists)
C. Mullin-----------36-5-0
S. Marciulionas----12-6-5
T.. Hardaway-------14-1-2
B. Owens----------16-9-3
R. Tomjanovich----39-8-0
M. Malone---------16-18-5
C. Murphy----------14-0-3
J. Lucas-------------15-1-8 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/17/2022
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OK...more revisions...
ACTION---if assist is 11-48 or lower, AND no secondary rating, then shoot. ADVANCE otherwise.
(first) ADVANCE---if assist is 11-58 or lower then shoot, otherwise ADVANCE a second time.
***BUT*** this is more a general guideline. Sometimes, I go by feel, especially if a great scorer hasn't had very many points so far in the game, then I might shoot when otherwise he would ADVANCE.
So, with all that said...
1955-56 PHILADELPHIA (@) 1951-52 ROCHESTER
PHI---18-36-53-72
ROC---25-44-70-95
NOTABLES
(player---points-rebounds-assists)
P. Arizin---------28-8-0
N. Johnston---14-20-1
T. Gola-----------5-6-3
A. Risen-------37-21-0
B. Wanzer------16-3-6
B. Davies------15-5-10 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/18/2022
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1953 NEW YORK (@) 1953 MINNEAPOLIS
NYK---13-34-59-80
MIN---29-53-87-111
NOTABLES
(Player---points-rebounds-assists)
H. Gallatin-------22-20-2
C. Braun----------19-4-4
E. Vandeweghe---15-2-1
S. Clifton-----------8-5-6
V. Mikkelsen------25-7-1
J. Pollard----------18-7-2
G. Mikan---------26-14-1
S. Martin----------17-1-7 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/19/2022
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1955 FORT WAYNE (@) 1955 SYRACUSE
FWP---18-41-74-97
SYR---27-40-54-83
A wild game. The Nationals had an early 11 point lead, then the Pistons turned it on en route to a 21 point lead. Syracuse cut it to only 7, before the Pistons closed out for the 14 point win.
NOTABLES
(player---points/rebounds/assists)
M. Hutchins---11-11-6
G. Yardley------20-5-0
L. Foust-------32-17-0
A. Phillip---------4-2-8
D. Schayes----33-15-0
E. Lloyd---------13-7-2
G. King-----------2-1-6
P. Seymour------14-4-3 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/20/2022
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1958 SAINT LOUIS (@) 1960 BOSTON
STL---24-34-61-77
BOS---21-46-62-82
A foul-filled, poor shooting game. Pretty ugly.
NOTABLES
(player---points/rebounds/assists)
B. Pettit---14-13-0
C. Hagan---25-7-1
S. Martin---12-3-8
J. McMahon---2-1-9
T. Heinsohn---12-11-1
B. Russell---25-31-3
B. Sharman---11-3-1
B. Cousy---12-5-2 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/21/2022
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1962 LOS ANGELES (@) 1962 BOSTON
LAL---21-56-82-113
BOS---20-44-77-105
NOTABLES
(player---points-rebounds-assists)
E. Baylor------45-23-2
R. LaRusso---14-13-7
J. West---------38-8-5
F. Selvy----------7-5-7
B. Russell-----32-20-0
S. Jones--------18-4-3
B. Cousy--------18-0-3
KC. Jones-------4-0-10 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/22/2022
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1964 CINCINNATI (@) 1962 PHILADELPHIA
CIN---21-51-89-126
PHI---27-50-76-106
Being I don't do replays or anything continuous, I just consider all these games to be exhibitions for my own amusement. So, in that spirit, I decided to just feed Wilt Chamberlain as much as possible, and see how high I could get the point total. Well, Wilt ended up with 82 points. He had 25 in the first quarter, 16 in the second quarter, 16 in the third quarter, and 25 in the fourth quarter. So, in the opening and final quarters, he was at least on pace for a magical 100 points. Just a fun experiment!
NOTABLES
(player---points/rebounds/assists)
J. Lucas---31-19-4
J. Twyman---20-4-0
W. Embry---20-5-2
O. Robertson---32-6-15
W. Chamberlain---82-16-0 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/24/2022
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1967 PHILADELPHIA (@) 1965 BOSTON
PHI----35-73-102-128
BOS---24-44-57-86
Well THAT got ugly quick!
NOTABLES
(player---points/rebounds/assists)
C. Walker----------31-5-1
W. Chamberlain---26-19-6
H. Greer-----------25-2-2
B. Cunningham----23-9-3
J. Havlicek---------17-6-2
B. Russell----------12-18-7
S. Jones------------32-2-2
KC. Jones----------2-1-9 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/24/2022
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1968 SAINT LOUIS (@) 1969 BALTIMORE
STL---32-53-77-118
BAL---31-57-86-110
Back and forth the whole way. Lot of fouls down the stretch led to 4 players fouling out.
NOTABLES
(player---points/rebounds/assists)
J. Caldwell---25-5-1
Z Beaty---37-12-0
L. Wilkens---15-4-6
P. Silas---12-20-1
G. Johnson---19-6-3
W. Unseld---14-22-2
K. Loughery---20-3-7
E. Monroe---28-1-4 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/25/2022
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1975 GOLDEN STATE (@) 1970 NEW YORK
GSW---20-44-71-88
NYK---27-57-87-107
Thought it would be interesting to face off two teams known for their teamwork, in which their success was due to their stars reigning themselves in a bit for the benefit of the team. And each time it resulted in an NBA championship. Rick Barry was asleep the first half, only have 2 points after the 2nd quarter. He picked it up in the 3rd and 4th, but to no avail. Third quarter saw each team rip off 7-8-9-10 point swings. Knicks would be up by 18, then the lead would be cut to single digits, them back to 17 or so point lead, then back to 8. That kind of thing. But in the end the Knicks pulled away for the 19 point victory.
NOTABLES
(player---points/rebounds/assists)
K. Wilkes---------12-13-2
R. Barry-----------26-8-2
C. Ray-------------9-11-2
B. Beard-----------13-1-4
D. DeBuscherre---10-7-5
B. Bradley---------12-5-4
W. Reed----------27-12-0
W. Frazier---------24-4-6 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/26/2022
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1971 MILWAUKEE (@) 1972 LOS ANGELES
MIL---20-48-77-102
LAL---23-51-79-107
NOTABLES
(player---points-rebounds-assists)
B. Dandridge-------14-9-1
L. Alcindor--------25-17-1
J. McGlocklin-------24-1-2
O. Robertson-------22-8-6
W. Chamberlain---11-15-4
G. Goodrich--------35-3-0
J. West--------------21-1-8
E. Baylor-------------9-8-3 |
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| w_hild |
Posted on 04/27/2022
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1974 DETROIT (@) 1972 CHICAGO
DET---23-54-92-116
CHI---26-46-71-92
NOTABLES
(player---points-rebounds-assists)
D. Adams----22-7-2
B. Lanier---34-12-0
D. Bing------32-1-5
B. Love------29-6-1
C. Walker----23-9-1
J. Sloan-----19-10-1 |
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