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Post subject: REMEMBERING MINNESOTA'S BILLY MISKE  PostPosted: Aug 06, 2007 - 09:36 PM



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REMEMBERING MINNESOTA'S BILLY MISKE

In Julian's Compton's opening statement for Data Boxing 6.0, he calls upon us to remember not only the famous boxers, but the other boxers as well. Dr. Compton also discusses that while Data Boxing is indeed about the numbers, it's also about the people. As I've stated before, Data Boxing has introduced me to a number of boxers I had not known about before, such as Billy Miske. Miske was a superb boxer and a great human being, whose career was from 1913-1923. Sadly, Miske died at the age of 29 due to a kidney disease. I am providing a link to a Reader's Digest article about Billy Miske, which illustrates what a great man he was and how he sacrificed for his wife and children. The article is entitled "Billy Miske's Last Fight"...

http://www.billymiske.com/RD101.htm (Reader's Digest article)

A future Data Boxing project of mine will be to recreate various bouts of Billy Miske's career and also to stage some Billy Miske "what if" bouts in Data Boxing 6.0, where Billy Miske lives on!

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Post subject: HonoringBoxers  PostPosted: Aug 07, 2007 - 11:02 AM



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Very good. I'm glad you have the time and interest for such projects. The guys at IBRO will like what you're doing.
 
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Post subject: Re: HonoringBoxers  PostPosted: Aug 16, 2007 - 08:03 PM



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DRDATABOX wrote:
Very good. I'm glad you have the time and interest for such projects. The guys at IBRO will like what you're doing.


Thanks for the remarks. I'm looking forward to conducting the Billy Miske project using Data Boxing 6.0.

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Post subject: Billy Miske vs. Sonny Liston Data Boxing Results  PostPosted: Aug 19, 2007 - 04:30 PM



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DATA BOXING 6.0

BILLY MISKE VS. SONNY LISTON

Billy Miske (career 1913-1923; died 1924) was brought to my attention using Data Boxing 6.0 when Miske won a 15 round decision over Sonny Liston in the first round of a 32 man single elimination computerized heavyweight tournament bout that I staged a few weeks ago (see the link below). As I stated before, one look at the Data Boxing ratings for "the St. Paul Thunderbolt" tells you that the St. Paul, Minnesota native was a good fighter.

DATA BOXING 6.0 100 Bout Series Test: Intrigued by the Miske-Liston result in my computer heavyweight tournament, I staged a 100 bout series test and set the series to terminate early if a significant result was achieved at the 1% level. A significant result was not achieved as the series went the distance…

Liston-Miske 57-42-1; 42-1KOs, 12-7TKOs

Analysis: This is what I would expect for Liston-Miske. The results indicate that Liston is more likely to win by KO, Miske is more likely to win by decision and that Miske indeed would be capable of winning the fight (although the dominant result was a knockout win for Liston). Keep in mind that additional sets of 100 bout series would provide more conclusive data for analysis than a single 100 bout test.

P.S. The results for the computer heavyweight tournament mentioned above are posted at the Delphi All Time Heavyweights site....

http://forums.delphiforums.com/drdatabox/messages/?msg=32.1

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Post subject: Billy Miske vs. Jess Willard  PostPosted: Sep 02, 2007 - 01:16 PM



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DATA BOXING 6.0

BILLY MISKE VS. JESS WILLARD

Backstory: Billy Miske was one of the best ever heavyweight contenders. He was quick and tough. Miske may very well had been heavyweight champion if Jack Dempsey had not defeated him by decision in 1918 (Miske had fought to a draw with Dempsey earlier that year). Miske gave Dempsey all he wanted - he was that good. Miske was later kayoed by Dempsey in a title bout but that was when Miske’s efficiency was reduced due to Bright’s Disease. In the virtual world of Data Boxing 6.0, I matched up the 6’ 0” Billy Miske versus the giant 6’ 6” Jess Willard, who was heavyweight champion from 1915-1919. Click on the following address to read an article by Tracy Callis and Eric Jorgensen entitled BILLY MISKE...Slick as a Whistle and Swift as a Breeze:
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/wail900_callis.htm

DATA BOXING COMPUTER SIMULATED FIGHT: This was an exciting fight! This bout reminded me of the classic Holmes-Norton fight in 1978. Willard (as Holmes did vs. Norton) built up a big lead and then Miske rallied (as Norton did vs. Holmes) to make it a very even fight going into the last round. To account for the significant size difference between Miske and Willard, I enabled Data Boxing's HW subclasses option. This is the briefer narration option with the color analyst option invoked. The opinion of the analyst does not always agree with the judges' cards. I invoked the rounds scoring system, the scoring used back when Miske and Willard were fighting.

The Data Boxing Detail File reports...

Let's go to the introduction of the fighters and rounds 1 and 3.

09-02-2007 10:48:34
[The announcer:]
Ladies and gentlemen ...
Heavyweight boxing.
Fighting out of the 'red' corner,
weighing in at 252 pounds,
"The Pottawatomie Giant," Jess Willard
... and his opponent, fighting out of the 'blue' corner,
weighing in at 187 pounds,
Billy Miske
in fifteen rounds of boxing.

[The broadcaster:]

~~~ FIRST ROUND ~~~
Miske lands a left hand to Willard's head!
Willard lands a left hand to the head!
Again Willard lands a left hand to the head!
Willard connects with a left and a right to the head and body!!
Miske lands a left to the head!
Edge, perhaps, to Willard.
Our analyst scored that round for Willard.

~~~ THIRD ROUND ~~~
A punishing right by Willard.
Miske has been injured.
Miske has a mouth cut.
Willard connects with a left and a right to the head and body!!
Willard takes a left to the head!
Miske lands a left to the head!
A close round.
Our analyst scored that round even.
He has it 1-1 overall with 1 even.
Jess Willard -- Billy Miske
1 1-0 3 0-0
2 0-1

Rounds: 1-1-1


Here are rounds 5, 6 and 8-9. Willard continues to carry the fight to Miske...


~~~ FIFTH ROUND ~~~
A punishing left by Willard.
Miske has been injured.
Miske has a bloodied cheek.
Willard pounds a left-right barrage to the head and body!!!!
Jess again lands a left glove to the head!
Willard blocks a punch.
Jess connects with a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
A punishing right by Miske.
Willard has been injured.
Willard has a mouth cut.
Billy connects with a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
Miske again lands a left hand to Willard's head!
Miske with a punishing right.
An injury to Willard.
Willard has a bloodied cheek.
Miske yet again connects with a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
Miske trying a jab.
Round, perhaps, to Willard.
Our analyst scored that round for Willard.
He has it 2-2 overall with 1 even.
Jess Willard -- Billy Miske
1 1-0 4 0-1
2 0-1 5 1-0
3 0-0

Rounds: 2 - 2 - 1
~~~ SIXTH ROUND ~~~
Billy lands a left hand to Willard's head!
Willard lands a left glove to Miske's head!
Jess again lands a left glove to the mouth!
Willard clinches and holds on.
Willard pounds a left-right barrage to the head and body!!!!
A good round for Willard.
Our analyst scored that round for Willard.
For the fight, he has it 3-2 for Willard with 1 even.
Jess Willard -- Billy Miske
1 1-0 4 0-1
2 0-1 5 1-0
3 0-0 6 1-0
4 0-1

Rounds: 3-2-1
~~~ EIGHTH ROUND ~~~
Willard blocks a punch.
Willard lands a left to Miske's head!
Willard lands a left glove to the head!
Willard again connects with a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
Willard lands a left glove to the head!
Miske jabs.
Willard lands a left hand to the head!
Miske scores with a left, a right and a left to the head and body!!!
A punishing right by Miske.
Willard appears to be injured.
Willard has a colored eye.
Again Miske connects with a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
A close round.
Our analyst scored that round for Willard.
For the fight, he has it 5-2 for Willard with 1 even.
Jess Willard -- Billy Miske
1 1-0 5 1-0
2 0-1 6 1-0
3 0-0 7 1-0
4 0-1 8 1-0

Rounds: 5 - 2 - 1
~~~ NINTH ROUND ~~~
Dramatic left by Willard ...
... no effect.
Willard lands a left hand to the head!
Willard clinches and holds on.
A close round.
Our analyst scored that round for Willard.
For the fight, he has it 6-2 for Willard with 1 even.
Jess Willard -- Billy Miske
1 1-0 6 1-0
2 0-1 7 1-0
3 0-0 8 1-0
4 0-1 9 1-0
5 1-0

Rounds: 6-2-1


Here's rounds 10-13. Willard starts off strong at the beginning of the 10th, but Miske digs down deep to stage a rally...

~~~ TENTH ROUND ~~~
Willard lands a left glove to Miske's head!
Willard moving in.
Willard takes a left glove to the head!
Miske again lands a left to the nose!
Billy lands a left glove to Willard's head!
Edge, perhaps, to Miske, after trailing early in the round.
Our analyst scored that round for Miske.
For the fight, he has it 6-3 for Willard with 1 even.
Jess Willard -- Billy Miske
1 1-0 6 1-0
2 0-1 7 1-0
3 0-0 8 1-0
4 0-1 9 1-0
5 1-0 10 0-1

Rounds: 6 - 3 - 1
~~~ ELEVENTH ROUND ~~~
Willard takes a left glove to the head!
Miske scores with a left, a right and a left to the head and body!!!
Miske with a punishing left.
Willard appears to be injured.
Willard has a nose bleed.
Miske again connects with a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
Now Willard lands a left hand to the head!
Willard again lands a left hand to the cheek!
Miske with a punishing left.
An injury to Willard.
Willard has a puffed eye.
Miske connects with a left and a right to the head and body!!
Willard clinches and holds on.
Miske tallies with a left, a right and a left to the head and body!!!
Billy lands a left hand to Willard's head!
Great round for Miske.
Our analyst scored that round for Miske.
For the fight, he has it 6-4 for Willard with 1 even.
Jess Willard -- Billy Miske
1 1-0 7 1-0
2 0-1 8 1-0
3 0-0 9 1-0
4 0-1 10 0-1
5 1-0 11 0-1
6 1-0

Rounds: 6 - 4 - 1
~~~ TWELFTH ROUND ~~~
Miske lands a left hand to Willard's head!
Willard takes a left glove to the head!
Willard takes a left glove to the head!
Miske again scores with a left-right-left to the head and body!!!
A good round for Miske.
Our analyst scored that round for Miske.
For the fight, he has it 6-5 for Willard with 1 even.
Jess Willard -- Billy Miske
1 1-0 7 1-0
2 0-1 8 1-0
3 0-0 9 1-0
4 0-1 10 0-1
5 1-0 11 0-1
6 1-0 12 0-1

Rounds: 6 - 5 - 1
~~~ THIRTEENTH ROUND ~~~
Miske takes a left glove to the head!
Willard again lands a left to the head!
Miske lands a left to Willard's head!
Miske lands a left glove to Willard's jaw!
Miske tallies with a left, a right and a left to the head and body!!!
Miske scores with a left-right-left to the head and body!!!
Miske jabs.
Great round for Miske.
Our analyst scored that round for Miske.
He has it 6-6 overall with 1 even.
Jess Willard -- Billy Miske
1 1-0 8 1-0
2 0-1 9 1-0
3 0-0 10 0-1
4 0-1 11 0-1
5 1-0 12 0-1
6 1-0 13 0-1
7 1-0

Rounds: 6-6-1


Let's go to the final round. At this point the analyst has the fight at 6-6 with 2 even.


~~~ FIFTEENTH AND FINAL ROUND ~~~
Miske lands a left hand to Willard's head!
Miske makes contact with a left glove to the ear!
Again Miske lands a left glove to Willard's head!
Miske with a punishing left.
Willard has been injured.
Willard has an arm injury.
Miske connects with a left and a right to the head and body!!
Miske again lands a left hand to Willard's nose!
A good round for Miske.
Our analyst scored that round for Miske.
For the fight, he has it 7-6 for Miske with 2 even.
Jess Willard -- Billy Miske
1 1-0 9 1-0
2 0-1 10 0-1
3 0-0 11 0-1
4 0-1 12 0-1
5 1-0 13 0-1
6 1-0 14 0-0
7 1-0 15 0-1
8 1-0

Rounds: 6 - 7 - 2
Let's go to the ring announcer.
---
[The announcer:]

Ladies and gentlemen, I have the decision of the scorers.
We have a unanimous decision.
The senior judge scores it 7 rounds to 6, with 2 even.
The associate judge also scores it 7 rounds to 6, with 2 even.
The referee scores it 10 rounds to 5.
... for the winner,
Billy Miske!
---
It's Miske.


NOTE: The above is a text file extract. The narrative on the Data Boxing action screen is color-coded for the fighters with various levels of detail, speed and text. The figures are also lined up much better on the action screen than what is displayed on an on-line forum screen.

Click here for a screenshot of the Data Boxing action screen

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Post subject: DATA BOXING: Billy Miske vs. Jess Willard Series  PostPosted: Sep 09, 2007 - 03:17 PM



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DATA BOXING 6.0

Billy Miske vs. Jess Willard

100 Bout Series

In Data Boxing, one computer-simulated bout between Billy Miske and the giant Jess Willard should not be considered the final word. Indeed, the 6' 6" Willard does beat the 6' 0" Miske in Data Boxing, however, Miske wins this matchup more often than not. I staged a 100 bout series over 15 rounds for each bout using Data Boxing 6.0 for the Miske-Willard matchup and set the series to terminate early at the 5% level if a significant result was achieved. The rounds scoring system was used, the scoring used back then and I enabled the HW subclasses feature to account for the significant size difference. The series was terminated early at bout #41 out of 100 and Miske left no doubt as to who would probably win this fight...

Miske-Willard 26-12-3; 0-6KOs, 0-4TKOs

(Note: The dominate result was UD for Miske 26-2).

Comment: Miske would not want take big Jess Willard for granted, as anything can happen in a heavyweight fight. This would be a competitive fight and big Jess is capable of winning the fight. That said, although Willard has a significant size advantage, Miske was very capable against a big heavyweight. Miske knocked out Fred Fulton in the 1st round. Fulton was a good boxer with good power, good height (6' 5" 1/2") and a long reach. I think Miske would probably beat Willard.

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Post subject: Re: DATA BOXING: Billy Miske vs. Jess Willard Series  PostPosted: Sep 09, 2007 - 03:50 PM



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DATA BOXING 6.0

Billy Miske vs. Jess Willard

100 Bout Series

In Data Boxing, one computer-simulated bout between Billy Miske and the giant Jess Willard should not be considered the final word. Indeed, the 6' 6" Willard does beat the 6' 0" Miske in Data Boxing, however, Miske wins this matchup more often than not. I staged a 100 bout series over 15 rounds for each bout using Data Boxing 6.0 for the Miske-Willard matchup and set the series to terminate early at the 5% level if a significant result was achieved. The rounds scoring system was used, the scoring used back then and I enabled the HW subclasses feature to account for the significant size difference. The series was terminated early at bout #41 out of 100 and Miske left no doubt as to who would probably win this fight...

Miske-Willard 26-12-3; 0-6KOs, 0-4TKOs

(Note: The dominate result was UD for Miske 26-2).

Comment: Miske would not want take big Jess Willard for granted, as anything can happen in a heavyweight fight. This would be a competitive fight and big Jess is capable of winning the fight. That said, although Willard has a significant size advantage, Miske was very capable against a big heavyweight. Miske knocked out Fred Fulton in the 1st round. Fulton was a good boxer with good power, good height (6' 5" 1/2") and a long reach. I think Miske would probably beat Willard.


"What-if" 1918 Willard-Miske Title Fight Using Data Boxing 6.0

Various factors can have a positive or negative influence on the outcome of a bout (i.e. out of shape, psych-out, injury, etc.) Positive and negative factors can be simulated in Data Boxing using the enhanced/reduced efficiency option. In fact, there is also an option for choice of referee and their "handling" and scoring tendency and for selecting the judges. In Data Boxing, I will stage the Miske-Willard Data Boxing computer fight again and invoke favoritism for Willard from the referee and judges to give Willard the champion's benefit of the doubt. I'll post the results of this hypothetical 1918 Willard-Miske Title Fight here at TTS.

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Post subject: Billy Miske Bio  PostPosted: Sep 10, 2007 - 10:12 PM



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Billy Miske Bio

Here is a nice site about Billy Miske that I thought would be of interest to the readership...

http://www.harrygreb.com/billymiskebiopage.html

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Post subject: 1918 "What-if" Heavyweight Title Fight  PostPosted: Sep 14, 2007 - 09:41 PM



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DATA BOXING 6.0

SUPPOSE BILLY MISKE HAD FOUGHT JESS WILLARD IN 1918

"What-if" Heavyweight Title Fight

In the virtual world of Data Boxing, I stepped back in time to 1918 for a "what-if" heavyweight title fight between contender Billy Miske and Jess Willard, who held the title from 1915-1919. As I've stated before, Miske may very had been champion if he had not lost to Jack Dempsey in 1918 after fighting to a draw with Dempsey earlier that year.

DATA BOXING 6.0 Computer-Simulated Fight: I enabled the HW subclasses feature to account for the significant size difference between Miske and the giant Jess Willard. To simulate the champion's benefit of the doubt, I invoked favoritism from the judges for Willard. However, I selected Ed Graney as the referee and he was not one to give favoritism in scoring a bout. The rounds scoring system was used, the scoring system used back then.

It was Billy Miske all the way in this particular bout as "the St. Paul Thunderbolt" was hitting on all cylinders and dominated the giant Willard. This was a clear-cut victory for Miske and the judges had to give Miske the decision even though as champion Willard recieved favoristism from the judges. The DBLINE file reports...

P = points; J = judge cards; R = judge rounds; N = knockdowns;
C = cuts; I = injury; F = fouls


Billy Miske Wu15 Jess Willard P56.5/20.5 J11/6 9/5 17/2
R9/5 9/5 13/2 N0/0 C0/0 I3/1 F0/0


P.S. Excerpts from the actual bout narrative are posted at my "Back to the Future" project...

http://www.tabletop-sports.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=5645#5645

P.P.S. One bout between Billy Miske and Jess Willard in Data Boxing does not tell the whole story. I will stage two 100 bout series using Data Boxing 6.0 for the Billy Miske-Jess Willard matchup and post my results here at TTS.

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Post subject: Billy Miske vs. Big Heavyweights  PostPosted: Sep 16, 2007 - 10:47 PM



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Billy Miske vs. Big Heavyweights

In reference to my previous post regarding the result for the Billy Miske-Jess Willard “what-if” computer-simulated title fight using Data Boxing, big heavyweights are nothing new under the sun for “the St. Paul Thunderbolt." In fact, Miske fought well against the big heavyweights of his day. In 1917, the 6’ 0” Billy Miske beat big heavyweight Carl Morris. Miske was outweighed by the 6’4” Carl Morris by 50 lbs. Miske also knocked out 6’ 5 ½ Fred Fulton. As to the Miske-Willard matchup that I staged in Data Boxing, Miske and Willard never fought in real life, but they had a common opponent in Gunboat Smith. Miske beat Gunboat Smith twice in 1918, while Willard dropped a decision to Gunboat Smith in 1913 before Willard became champion.

When comparing the all time greats in the heavyweight division, overall ability is more important than size. Make no mistake about it. Ability, not size is what determines who is the better fighter.

P.S. Here are some more small/medium heavyweights who beat giants in boxing:

1. Jack Dempsey liked to fight big heavyweights because they were easier to hit. Dempsey, at 6’ 0” 191, slaughtered the massive 6’ 6” 252 Jess Willard (TKO 3)
2. “The Brown Bomber” Joe Louis at 6’ 1” 200, stopped the 6’ 6 ½” 250 pound Buddy Baer in round 1; Louis also destroyed 6’ 6” Primo Carnera.
3. Earnie Schaaf, at 6’ 1” 198, TKO’d king-sized Victorio Campolo (6’ 9 ½”) in the 7th.
4. The 6’ 2” Max Baer (one of my favorite boxers), stopped a couple of colossal boxers - the giant Primo Carnera (260-270 pounds), and humongous 6’ 8 1/2” Jose Santa (Santa was a massive 250-270 pounds).
5. In the late 1960s, 6’ 0” James Woody TKO’d giant 6’ 8” Jim Beattie (BTW, Woody lost to my all time top sports hero, the 6’ 3” Ken Norton twice, the first time by decision and then by TKO in a rematch).

P.P.S. As they say, "It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog."

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Post subject: Billy Miske "The St. Paul Thunderbolt"  PostPosted: Sep 24, 2007 - 10:06 PM



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Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia's article about Billy Miske...

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Billy_Miske

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Post subject: Billy Miske vs. Jess Willard Hypothetical 1918 Title Fight  PostPosted: Sep 29, 2007 - 05:43 PM



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MISKE-WILLARD HYPOTHETICAL 1918 TITLE FIGHT

In the virtual world of Data Boxing, I staged a 100 bout series “what-if” computer fight matchup between Billy Miske and Jess Willard. Favoritism was invoked for Willard from the judges to simulate the champion's benefit of the doubt (but not the referee - I selected Ed Graney and he was not one to give favoritism). I invoked the HW subclasses feature to account for the significant size difference and used the rounds scoring system. I had the following results...

Willard-Miske 62-30-8; 12-0KOs, 0-12TKOs, 11-30UnanDs, 27-0SplitDs

Comment: Note that Willard won 27 bouts by split-decision. Would the best fighter have won if Miske had fought Willard in a 1918 title fight? Some doubt may have been left after the bout for the answer to that question if Willard won a decision. At any rate, Willard would not have been able to take Miske for granted. As indicated by the results, although Willard had the edge in this matchup, Miske still wins this fight some of the time even though Willard received favoritism (note that Miske held a 30-11 edge in unanimous decisions.)

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Post subject: Billy Miske vs. Jess Willard Hypothetical Title Fight  PostPosted: Sep 30, 2007 - 12:55 PM



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COULD BILLY MISKE HAVE WON THE TITLE FROM WILLARD BY A DECISION?

"What if" Title Fight in the Data Boxing World

One Data Boxing computer-simulated fight series for the hypothetical 1918 Jess Willard- Billy Miske title fight is not the final word. I staged another 100 bout series between the giant Jess Willard and Billy Miske and this time I invoked the statistical test option. I set the series to terminate early if there was a statistically significant result set at the 0.1% level. I again invoked favoritism for Willard from the judges but not the referee, and enabled the HW subclasses feature to account for Willard's significant size advantage. The rounds scoring system was used, the scoring system used back in 1918. The series went the distance as a significant result was not achieved. I had the following results...

Willard-Miske 53-39-8; 10-0KOs, 14-0TKOs, 5-39UnanDs, 24-0SpltDs

COMMENT: To take a title away from a champion on a decision, by tradition the decision is supposed to be clear-cut. With Willard receiving favoritism to simulate the champion's benefit of the doubt, Miske was still able to win 39 fights by unanimous decision. Had Miske fought Willard back in 1917 or 1918 for the title, the results indicate that Miske could have won the title from Willard. I think this would have been a fight that would have gone the distance and that Miske could have won the fight.

Note: Terminating the series if a significant result is achieved is optional.
Also, although this test was set at the 0.1% level, the test can be can be set at 1%, 2%, 5%, 10% on up to 30% and the number of bouts can be set for more or less than the 100 number that I usually use.

P.S. Don Mankowski, analyst programmer for Data Boxing 6.0, discusses the analysis of results and the series of bouts test option at the following Delphi sites...

http://forums.delphiforums.com/tabletopsports/messages?msg=10442.4

http://forums.delphiforums.com/seasonspast/messages?msg=4165.31

P.P.S. Speaking of the champion's benefit of the doubt, I also staged a hypothetical 1978 Ali-Norton IV bout. I posted the results at TTS thread...

http://www.tabletop-sports.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=5186#5186

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Post subject: Billy Miske-Carl Morris Replay  PostPosted: Nov 07, 2007 - 09:23 PM



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DATA BOXING 6.0

Billy Miske vs. Carl Morris

“Replay of Historical 1917 Bout”

In the Data Boxing world, I staged a replay of the 1917 Billy Miske-Carl Morris bout. Miske beat the 6' 4" 235 pound Morris in the 15 round computerized fight. THe DBLINE fine reports...

P = points; J = judge cards; R = rounds; N = knockdowns; C&I = cut&injury + = 1/2; ' = 1/3; " = 2/3

Billy Miske Wu15 Carl Morris P48+/22 J146'/136" R11'/3" N0/0 C&I0/0

P.S. In 1917, Miske beat Morris by decision over 10 rounds. I thought the following article dated September 28, 1917 from the New York Times regarding the Billy Miske-Carl Morris bout would be of interest to the readership.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9500EEDF1F38E533A2575BC2A96F9C946696D6CF

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Post subject: Re: REMEMBERING MINNESOTA'S BILLY MISKE  PostPosted: Dec 01, 2007 - 09:32 AM



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REMEMBERING MINNESOTA'S BILLY MISKE

In Julian's Compton's opening statement for Data Boxing 6.0, he calls upon us to remember not only the famous boxers, but the other boxers as well. Dr. Compton also discusses that while Data Boxing is indeed about the numbers, it's also about the people. As I've stated before, Data Boxing has introduced me to a number of boxers I had not known about before, such as Billy Miske. Miske was a superb boxer and a great human being, whose career was from 1913-1923. Sadly, Miske died at the age of 29 due to a kidney disease. I am providing a link to a Reader's Digest article about Billy Miske, which illustrates what a great man he was and how he sacrificed for his wife and children. The article is entitled "Billy Miske's Last Fight"...

http://www.billymiske.com/RD101.htm (Reader's Digest article)

A future Data Boxing project of mine will be to recreate various bouts of Billy Miske's career and also to stage some Billy Miske "what if" bouts in Data Boxing 6.0, where Billy Miske lives on!


Go to billymiske.com/magazines.htm to read great articles about Billy Miske, including 'Twas the Fight before Christmas by Sports Illustrated's Rick Reilly, and articles by Tracy G. Callis, Historian, International Boxing Research Organization.

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