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Post subject: Fighter request  PostPosted: Aug 22, 2011 - 08:37 PM



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At the risk of being a pain in the behind I'd like to request a few fighter ratings.

I used to fight at Rage in the Cage back around 1999-2001 and would like to see if you could rate a few of the guys that I used to train with back then. I got a kick out of seeing ratings for guys that I know from the old Rage in the Cage days like Del Hawkins, Allan Sullivan, etc. and even Tom Roden! When I looked through the list of all time mma fighter ratings if someone would have told me that guys like Jeff Custead and Tom Roden where on there I wouldnít have believed them. I ran into Tom a few years ago at a local grappling tournament, if I run into him again Iíll tell him about him being rated in the game.

A lot of these old Rage in the Cage guys donít have weights listed (or inaccurate weights) from the early days. Weight classes were still a loose concept back then. They didnít even bring a scale to the show half the time (pre-commission days obviously) guys just pretty much wrote down whatever weight they felt like on the sign in sheets. The lightest guy that I fought was about 155lbs. the heaviest around 210lbs. (to show you how ridiculous it could get he wrote down that he weighed 185lbs.)

Anyway here are ten fighters I would like to see rated.

John Levenson is listed as fighting at 148lb., 150-155lbs. was more realistic.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/John-Levenson-1159


Darrell Parrish (155lbs.)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Darrell-Parrish-647


Farrell Frisby (155lbs.)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Farrell-Frisby-644


Mike Berardi is an old student of mine, he usually fought at 175-185lbs.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Mike-Berardi-954


David Harris (185lbs.)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/David-Harris-635


Brian Ikagami (170lbs.)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Brian-Ikagami-731


John Lansing, (170lbs.)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/John-Lansing-979


James Upshur (155lbs.)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/James-Upshur-1098


Carlos Ortega (145lbs.)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Carlos-Ortega-2715


Bill Cameron (170lbs.) They got the result from my first fight incorrect, it was actually a win by submission (strikes), I usually fought at 165-170lbs.


http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Bill-Cameron-633


Thanks,

Bill Cameron


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Post subject:   PostPosted: Aug 22, 2011 - 08:57 PM



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You had a phenomenal record, Bill! Why'd you stop fighting?

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Aug 23, 2011 - 01:06 PM



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Well to be honest while I have a lot of memories and stories the "good old days" weren't always so good. I knew a lot of guys who had a lot of potential who never fought or only fought a few times because there really wasn't/isn't any future in it. Not to mention the fact that we were making very little to nothing in the way of money.

When I still had my gym running I used to get young guys in all the time who would tell me that they wanted to make MMA their "career". After I filled them in on the realities of it they didn't seem quite as enamored with the idea. I used to tell them to go back to school and that if they really wanted to to maybe fight once or twice just to say that they did it and move on. Whether it's boxing or mma, if you don't have world class abilities it really isn't worth it. And even then most of these guys end up broke anyway. As far as the promoters are concerned the fighters are just a piece of meat to use up and then discard when you are of no more value to them.

I didn't have any delusions of grandeur. I was already pushing 36 years old when I had my first fight. I knew that I was already slipping when I had to go the distance in my last two fights with guys that I really should have finished much sooner. By mid 2001 I was teaching full time and running my own gym. Trying to fight while running a business and trying to train and corner guys who are regularly competing especially given my age was almost impossible.

I do wish that I had had a few more fights though. I had about 6-7 fights fall through due to injury/illness or due to the fact that I had to go out of state to corner guys for their fights. A few times I stepped out and worked the corner and let one of my guys take fights that I could have taken myself. One time I was actually left waiting in the cage because my opponent had gotten cold feet and slipped out the back door of the arena ten minutes before our fight was to go on.

If Jeff is interested in rating them I came up with another 90 guys (some pretty good, others not so good) who I either met, cornered, saw fight live, trained etc.


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Post subject:   PostPosted: Aug 24, 2011 - 02:01 PM



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That's actually pretty cool, man!

Thanks for sharing. I enjoy stories like that. Smile
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Aug 24, 2011 - 07:34 PM
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I'll get these for you, Bill, just give me a little time. Sorry I wasn't able to respond sooner, I've been having horrible connection issues with my DSL.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Aug 24, 2011 - 08:16 PM



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Thanks that would be great. I'm not sure how difficult or time consuming a process it is to rate new fighters but I actually came up with a list of guys from the old days that I wouldn't mind seeing rated if you have the time or desire to add to the database. Some who were pretty good (Vernon White), some who were pretty bad (Trinity Boykin).

Trinity was 0-8 (all first round stoppages) and had the distinction of getting tapped out by triangle choke not once but twice on the same night by Edwin DeWees. In all fairness to Trinity, I knew and was training with every one of his opponent's at the time and we all knew going in that all but two of these were complete mismatches and that he didn't have a prayer of winning.

I remember when I found out that the promoter had put him up against Kauai Kupihea I asked him "Are you trying to get this poor guy killed?". He said "Don't worry I asked Kauai to carry him and to try not to hurt him." You could see Kauai was trying to pull his strikes as best he could in order to stretch the fight out and it was a struggle for him to even make the fight last the 2:08 that it did. Trinity was really giving it his all but the first time that Kauai let loose with a fairly solid leg kick he almost went down and verbally submitted.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Aug 24, 2011 - 09:19 PM



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I know it's probably asking a lot but if you get the chance here's five more.

Christophe Leninger (HW)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Christophe-Leninger-40


Ted Opalinski (HW)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Ted-Opalinski-623


Vernon White, (LHW)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Vernon-White-296


Todd Medina, (LHW)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Todd-Medina-61


James Suddath, (LHW)

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/James-Suddath-860
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Aug 25, 2011 - 07:57 AM
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I'll rate them all for you. Give me about 2 weeks at the most though. It takes some time to enter all of the data.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Aug 26, 2011 - 08:22 AM



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I'd like these too; particularly Vernon White.
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Dec 03, 2011 - 01:14 PM



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Any word on fighter request ratings?
And Jeff are you doing an UQ MMA 2011 update ?

Best wishes
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