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Post subject: Re: Boxing's Upset of the Century Relived!  PostPosted: Jun 13, 2011 - 11:11 PM



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Boxing's Upset of the Century Relived in DATA BOXING 6.0

Seventy-two years ago on this date, June 13, 1935 James J. Braddock outpointed Max Baer over 15 rounds at Madison Square Garden Bowl in Long Island City, NY. I am a fan of Max Baer and James J. Braddock. I relived this famous fight this evening in the virtual world of Data Boxing.

Backstory: Braddock was considered a no-hoper and was a 10-1 underdog when he scored a huge upset victory over Max Baer. Not taking anything away from Braddock, but Baer was unfocused, overconfident and out of shape for his first title defense. On the other hand, Braddock was hungry, focused and at his very best. Baer's lack of training and complacency, combined with Braddock's determination and grit, resulted in one of boxing's biggest upsets ever. Braddock's improbable comeback was resurrected in the 2005 "Cinderella Man" film. The "Bulldog of Bergen" is a great model of overcoming adversity and obstacles. If you are ever discouraged or face difficulties the story of the "Cinderella Man" is a great illustration of the success principle of persistence. Go to BoxRec for boxing statistics and biographies of James Braddock and Max Baer and information on the "Cinderella Man" film...

http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Main_Page

Data Boxing Replay: It's really fun to see boxing history come to life on the computer screen in Data Boxing 6.0. This is the .Mat (HW Champs matchup file) for the actual recreation of the Baer-Braddock bout in 1935. It uses Baer's past peak ratings and Braddock's peak ratings to simulate the historical fight. This file also invokes the rounds plus supplemental points scoring system that was used back then (and this system was significant in determining the winner of this computer-simulated fight). It should be noted that Braddock can beat Baer in this Data Boxing match-up, but not all the time. Let's see if Braddock can rise to the occasion again in this particular computer fight 72 years later.

Here are some selected rounds of the computer-fight narrative. (Note that the following is a text file extract. The narration on the actual DB action screen is color-coded for the fighters with adjustable levels of detail, speed, text size/boldness and background color).

Here's round 1...

06-13-2007 21:12:34
Long Island City, New York
June 13, 1935

[The announcer:]
Ladies and gentlemen ...
For the title of Heavyweight Champion ...
Fighting out of the 'blue' corner,
weighing in at 197 pounds,
the challenger,
"The Cinderella Man," James J. Braddock
... and his opponent, fighting out of the 'red' corner,
weighing in at 214 pounds,
the champion,
"The Livermore Larruper," Max Baer
in fifteen rounds of boxing.
Your referee is Jack McAvoy.

[The broadcaster:]

~~~ FIRST ROUND ~~~
Baer, a left to the body for nothing.
Braddock with a left to the head.
Baer with a right to the head.
Braddock slips the punch.
Braddock lands a left to the head!
Braddock slips the punch.
Braddock with a left to the body.
We are one minute into the round.
Baer the more aggressive fighter.
Baer connects with a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
Baer with a right to the head.
Action at the middle of the ring.
Baer takes a left to the head!
Braddock with a left to the head.
Baer with a left to the body.
Braddock keeps it up.
Braddock with a left to the head.
One minute left in the round.
Baer with a right to the head.
James J. Braddock with a left to the head.
The bell, ending round one!



Here is the 8th round bout narrative...

EIGHTH ROUND ~~~
Baer in the northwest corner to our far left;
Braddock out of the southeast corner to our near right.
Braddock lands a left to Baer's head!
Braddock with a left to the head.
Baer with a right to the head.
Braddock with a left to the head.
Baer with a left to the body.
Braddock lands a left hand to the head!
James J. Braddock, a left to the head for nothing.
On the far side.
Baer, a left to the body for nothing.
The challenger lands a left to the head!
Here Braddock comes up short with a left to the head.
On the north side.
We are one minute into the round.
Baer, a left to the body for nothing.
Braddock lands a left hand to Baer's head!
Braddock missing with a left to the head.
Action in the northeast corner of the ring.
Baer waits to counter.
Baer connects with a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
Baer with a right to the head.
Braddock with a left to the body.
Action in the far corner.
There's Baer, a left to the head for nothing.
One minute left in the round.
Braddock with a right to the head.
Baer hits a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
Braddock is forced toward the far corner.
Baer with a punishing left.
Braddock has been injured.
Braddock has a nose bleed.
Again The champion pounds a left-right-left-left to the head and body!!!!
Yet again Baer lands a left hand to Braddock's head!
Baer with a right to the head.
Action in the far corner.
Braddock with a right to the head.
Baer lands a left glove to the cheek!
There's the bell, ending round eight!


Here's rounds 10-11

~~ TENTH ROUND ~~~
Baer has suffered the following injuries:
a nose bleed.
Braddock has suffered the following injuries:
a nose bleed.
Baer with a right to the head.
Braddock with a left to the body.
Max Baer with a right to the body.
Here Braddock is short with a left to the body.
Max Baer with a left to the head.
James J. Braddock with a right to the head.
Baer with a left to the head.
Braddock missing with a left to the head.
Baer with a right to the head.
Braddock with a punishing right.
Baer appears to be injured.
Baer has a mouth cut.
The challenger pounds a series of lefts and rights to the head and body!!!!
Baer driven toward the far corner.
Braddock again connects with a left hand and a right to the head and body!!
There's the bell, ending round ten!

~~~ ELEVENTH ROUND ~~~
Braddock to our near right; and
Baer in the corner to our far left.
There's Braddock missing with a left to the body.
Baer, a left to the body for nothing.
Braddock with a left to the head.
Baer no luck with a right to the head.
At the center of the ring.
Braddock crouching.
Braddock with a left to the head.
Baer slipping the punch.
Baer waits to counter.
Baer connects with a left hand and a right to the head and body!!
Braddock is driven toward the near side.
Baer again hits a left and a right to the head and body!!
Baer with a left to the head.
Braddock, a right to the head in vain.
In the near corner.
We are one minute into the round.
Baer, a left to the body in vain.
Braddock with a left to the head.
Baer stalking.
Baer with a left to the body.
In the near corner.
Now Braddock comes up short with a left to the head.
Baer with a right to the body.
Braddock with a left to the body.
In the near corner of the ring.
Here Baer comes up short with a left to the head.
Braddock, a right to the body in vain.
Here Baer is short with a left to the head.
In the near corner of the ring.
Braddock connects with a left and a right to the head and body!!
One minute left in the round.
Braddock missing with a left to the head.
There's Baer missing with a right to the head.
In the near corner of the ring.
Braddock feinting.
Braddock connects with a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
Braddock no luck with a left to the head.
Baer with a right to the body.
In the near corner.
Braddock with a left to the head.
Baer connects with a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
Max Baer with a right to the head.
In the southwest corner.
There's the bell, ending round eleven!


Here are the final two rounds of the bout narrative...

~~~ FOURTEENTH ROUND ~~~
Baer in the northwest corner to our far left;
Braddock out of the southeast corner to our near right.
Baer lands a left to Braddock's head!
Max Baer, a left to the head for nothing.
Braddock waiting.
Braddock with a left to the head.
Baer waits to counter.
Here Baer is short with a left to the body.
A punishing right by Braddock.
Baer has been injured.
Baer has a puffed eye.
Braddock pounds a left-right barrage to the head and body!!!!
James J. Braddock, a right to the body for nothing.
On the far side.
Max Baer, a left to the body in vain.
Braddock with a left to the head.
Baer, a right to the head for nothing.
On the far side.
There's the bell, ending round fourteen!

~~~ FIFTEENTH AND FINAL ROUND ~~~
Baer has suffered the following injuries:
a nose bleed, a mouth cut, a puffed eye.
Baer appears to be fatigued.
Braddock has suffered the following injuries:
a nose bleed.
Now Braddock comes up short with a right to the head.
Baer no luck with a left to the head.
Braddock with a right to the body.
Max Baer with a right to the body.
At the center of the ring.
James J. Braddock with a right to the body.
Baer with a left to the body.
There are just two minutes left in the fight.
Braddock with a left to the head.
Baer waits to counter.
Baer connects with a left hand and a right to the head and body!!
Baer with a left to the head.
Braddock lands a left glove to the jaw!
Braddock forces his opponent toward the center of the ring.
James J. Braddock missing with a left to the body.
It's the last minute of the fight!
Baer, a right to the body for nothing.
James J. connects with a left and a right hand to the head and body!!
Baer driven to the near side.
Braddock, a left to the head for nothing.
Max Baer with a right to the head.
Braddock with a right to the head.
On the near side of the ring.
There's the bell, ending the fight!
Let's go to the ring announcer.
---
[The announcer:]

Ladies and gentlemen, I have the decision of the scorers.
With 1 even, the associate judge scores it 7 rounds to 7 ... even!
We have a majority decision.
With 1 even, the senior judge scores it 7 rounds to 7.
With 1 even, the referee scores it 7 rounds to 7.
... the supplemental point scores are:
by the senior judge: 9 to 8;
by the associate judge: 7 to 7; and
by the referee: 9 to 8 ...
... for the winner, and ...
... NEW ...
... Heavyweight Champion:
"The Cinderella Man," James J. Braddock!
---
It's Braddock.


For a synopsis of the bout, the DBLINE file reports...

P = points; J = judge cards; R = judge rounds; N = knockdowns; C = cuts; I = injury; F = fouls

James J. Braddock Wm15 Max Baer !PP P40/33.5 J9/8 7/7 9/8
R7/7 7/7 7/7 N0/0 C0/0 I3/1 F0/0


Comment: Braddock's upset victory over Baer in 1935 illustrates the following old lesson taught in Think and Grow Rich. (Coincidentally, Think & Grow Rich was written by Napoleon Hill in the mid 1930s and was praised by former world champion Ken Norton for inspiring him when he scored one of the biggest upsets in boxing history over Muhummad Ali)...

"There is no substitute for persistence. The person who makes persistence his watch-word, discovers that 'Old Man Failure' finally becomes tired, and makes his departure. Failure cannot cope with persistence."

-Think and Grow Rich (excerpt from Chapter IX entitled "Persistence")


It Was 76 Years Ago Today - Jim Braddock W15 Max Baer!

It was 76 years ago on this very night that Jim Braddock beat Max Baer by unanimous decision (Braddock upset the ten to one odds against him). This bout was resurrected in the Cinderella Man film in 2005.

P.S. Jim Braddock's comeback illustrated the following from Think and Grow Rich, a book written during the era of Braddock's amazing comeback...

I believe in the power of desire backed by faith, because I have seen this power lift men from lowly beginnings to places of power and wealth...I have seen it serve as the medium by which men staged a comeback after having been defeated in a hundred different ways... [pp. 64-65]

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Post subject: Max Baer  PostPosted: Jun 14, 2011 - 09:45 AM



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I love the movie Cinderella Man; the rise of Jimmy Braddock who was close to down and out in life to becoming heavyweight champion of the world. I think the only part of the movie that disappointed me was the insinuation that Max intentionally killed Frankie Campbell and Ernie Scaaf. That is far fetched. Maybe we should be looking back and understanding that Max, who was Jewish, was one of the toughest guys around and the deaths of both fighters was due to allowing physically incapable boxers of entering the ring. Baer was not aware of the physical shortcomings of either fighter. The chance at the time to point fingers at a boasting Jewish athlete was more than the commission could handle and Max became a victim of his own birth.
 
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Post subject: Max Baer  PostPosted: Jun 14, 2011 - 08:12 PM



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Max Baer was heartsick after his fight with Frankie Campbell in which Campbell died of brain injury. In fact, Baer gave purses from succeeding bouts to Campbell’s family. As for Ernie Schaf, an International Boxing Research Organization article entitled Max Baer and the Death of Ernie Schaaf by Michael Hunnicutt discussed the circumstances of the ill-fated Schaaf-Carnera bout. The above explains that while some have said that Shaaf already had a previous injury of the brain which contributed to his death (as illustrated in the Cinderella Man movie), medical experts determined that Schaff had suffered from the flu and had an inflammation of the brain when he entered the ring for the Carnera bout. Schaaf should never have been in the ring for the Carnera bout due to his illness.

P.S. I thought this site about Max Baer would be of interest to you: http://www.maxbaerboxer.com/

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Post subject: Re: Max Baer vs. Lou Nova  PostPosted: May 25, 2012 - 06:44 PM



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DATA BOXING 6.0

MAX BAER VS. LOU NOVA

Replay of 1939 Bout

In the first boxing match ever televised (June 1, 1939), Lou Nova beat Max Baer by TKO at 1:21 of the 11th round. The bout was held in New York City, NY. Baer weighed in at 210 1/2 and Nova at 202.

In replaying Baer-Nova, I used the analysis of the actual 1939 bout by Nat Fleischer (who was editor of The Ring) to fine tune Max Baer's ratings for the bout. Fleischer observed the bout from the press row. He discussed his analysis which included the following factors that reduced Baer's efficiency in his book entitled Max Baer, The Glamour Boy of the Ring, which was published in 1942:

1) The bout was stopped due to an injury to Baer who sustained a mouth cut earlier in the fight - profuse bleeding from the cut hampered his breathing;
2) Baer was inactive at this point of his career; and
3) Baer declined after he defeated Tommy Farr in 1938.

Fleischer indicated in his evaluation that this was a competitive fight up until the time of the stoppage, and that Baer would have had an extra good chance of winning if Max had not been injured.

DATA BOXING 6.0 REPLAY: In this replay Baer was represented with his past prime ratings of 1935-1936 and was triply reduced in efficiency for the abovementioned factors. Nova was represented with his peak ratings of 1938-1941. The rounds plus supplemental points scoring system was used. The DBLINE file (1line) reports...

P = points; J = judge cards; R = rounds; N = knockdowns; C&I = cut&injury + = 1/2; ' = 1/3; " = 2/3

Max Baer <3 Wu12 Lou Nova P34/29 J6/5" R6/5 N0/0 C&I1/1

Comment: Although Nova won the actual bout, this is a realistic result. As I stated before, the evaluation of the bout by Nat Fleischer who was at ringside indicated that this was a competitive fight before it was stopped due to the injury that Baer sustained.

DATA BOXING 100 BOUT TESTS - I conducted two 100 bout tests set for 12 round bouts. In the first test Baer was triply reduced in efficiency to simulate the actual bout (the first series was set to terminate early if a significant result was achieved at the 2% level). This was a very even series which did not terminate early as a significant result was not achieved. I had the following results:

100 Bout Test Series #1 (Baer past-prime and altered -3; Nova at his peak)

NOVA-BAER 52Ws-45Ls-3Ds; 8-5KOs, 10-6TKOs

In the second series Max Baer was doubly reduced in efficiency (see #2 and #3 above) to see who probably would have won if Baer had not sustained the previously discussed injury which eventually caused the bout to be stopped. The second series was set to terminate early if a significant result was achieved at the 5% level. Max Bear won. The series was terminated early as a significant result was achieved at bout #43. The results were as follows:

100 Bout Test Series #2 (Baer past-prime altered -2; Nova at his peak)

BAER-NOVA 28Ws-14Ls-1D; 3-0KOs, 3-1TKOs

Comment: It is noteworthy that the above Data Boxing results parallel Fleischer's analysis, who was at ringside for the actual bout in 1939. Considering that the Data Boxing results for Baer-Nova coincide
with Fleischer's evaluation, I believe that Baer more than likely would have defeated Nova had he not sustained the abovementioned injury.

P.S. Fleischer also discussed in his book about Baer that in Baer's prime, it would have been inconceivable for Nova to stop Baer. I will play out that hypothetical in the Data Boxing world and report the results. Up next will be a replay of the 1940 Max Baer-Tony "Two Ton" Galento bout.

P.P.S. Many thanks to Dr. Julian Compton and Mr. Don Mankowski for this awesome boxing simulation. Data Boxing 6.0 is my #1 sports game.


Coincidentally, Dr. Julian Compton, the creator of Data Boxing, discussed at another Tabletop Sports thread that Nat Fleischer helped him with his Data Boxing research project.

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Post subject: Re: Max Baer vs. Lou Nova  PostPosted: Sep 01, 2012 - 07:28 PM



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DATA BOXING 6.0

MAX BAER VS. LOU NOVA

Replay of 1939 Bout

In the first boxing match ever televised (June 1, 1939), Lou Nova beat Max Baer by TKO at 1:21 of the 11th round. The bout was held in New York City, NY. Baer weighed in at 210 1/2 and Nova at 202.

In replaying Baer-Nova, I used the analysis of the actual 1939 bout by Nat Fleischer (who was editor of The Ring) to fine tune Max Baer's ratings for the bout. Fleischer observed the bout from the press row. He discussed his analysis which included the following factors that reduced Baer's efficiency in his book entitled Max Baer, The Glamour Boy of the Ring, which was published in 1942:

1) The bout was stopped due to an injury to Baer who sustained a mouth cut earlier in the fight - profuse bleeding from the cut hampered his breathing;
2) Baer was inactive at this point of his career; and
3) Baer declined after he defeated Tommy Farr in 1938.

Fleischer indicated in his evaluation that this was a competitive fight up until the time of the stoppage, and that Baer would have had an extra good chance of winning if Max had not been injured.

DATA BOXING 6.0 REPLAY: In this replay Baer was represented with his past prime ratings of 1935-1936 and was triply reduced in efficiency for the abovementioned factors. Nova was represented with his peak ratings of 1938-1941. The rounds plus supplemental points scoring system was used. The DBLINE file (1line) reports...

P = points; J = judge cards; R = rounds; N = knockdowns; C&I = cut&injury + = 1/2; ' = 1/3; " = 2/3

Max Baer <3 Wu12 Lou Nova P34/29 J6/5" R6/5 N0/0 C&I1/1

Comment: Although Nova won the actual bout, this is a realistic result. As I stated before, the evaluation of the bout by Nat Fleischer who was at ringside indicated that this was a competitive fight before it was stopped due to the injury that Baer sustained.

DATA BOXING 100 BOUT TESTS - I conducted two 100 bout tests set for 12 round bouts. In the first test Baer was triply reduced in efficiency to simulate the actual bout (the first series was set to terminate early if a significant result was achieved at the 2% level). This was a very even series which did not terminate early as a significant result was not achieved. I had the following results:

100 Bout Test Series #1 (Baer past-prime and altered -3; Nova at his peak)

NOVA-BAER 52Ws-45Ls-3Ds; 8-5KOs, 10-6TKOs

In the second series Max Baer was doubly reduced in efficiency (see #2 and #3 above) to see who probably would have won if Baer had not sustained the previously discussed injury which eventually caused the bout to be stopped. The second series was set to terminate early if a significant result was achieved at the 5% level. Max Bear won. The series was terminated early as a significant result was achieved at bout #43. The results were as follows:

100 Bout Test Series #2 (Baer past-prime altered -2; Nova at his peak)

BAER-NOVA 28Ws-14Ls-1D; 3-0KOs, 3-1TKOs

Comment: It is noteworthy that the above Data Boxing results parallel Fleischer's analysis, who was at ringside for the actual bout in 1939. Considering that the Data Boxing results for Baer-Nova coincide
with Fleischer's evaluation, I believe that Baer more than likely would have defeated Nova had he not sustained the abovementioned injury.

P.S. Fleischer also discussed in his book about Baer that in Baer's prime, it would have been inconceivable for Nova to stop Baer. I will play out that hypothetical in the Data Boxing world and report the results. Up next will be a replay of the 1940 Max Baer-Tony "Two Ton" Galento bout.

P.P.S. Many thanks to Dr. Julian Compton and Mr. Don Mankowski for this awesome boxing simulation. Data Boxing 6.0 is my #1 sports game.


DRDATABOX wrote:
Sometimes I am amazed all over again. I probably never played this adjusted bout. My notes show Baer trailed four rounds to six at the stoppage.


Big_City wrote:
Coincidentally, Dr. Julian Compton, the creator of Data Boxing, discussed at another Tabletop Sports thread that Nat Fleischer helped him with his Data Boxing research project.


Click here to read a very good article on the Max-Bear-Lou Nova bouts by Norman Marcus at Boxing.com

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Post subject: Re: Data Boxing: Max Baer Career Replay  PostPosted: Nov 21, 2012 - 08:09 PM



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Data Boxing 6.0

MAX BAER CAREER REPLAY

Max Baer is one of my favorite boxers. Max was a great heavyweight who had class and was a credit to boxing. Max Baer could hit. He was one of the greatest punchers in the history of boxing. "The Livermore Larruper" had excellent physical tools, and Max could fight when he was motivated (i.e. Baer beat Schmeling by TKO in the 10th in 1933). Max won the title from giant heavyweight Primo Carnera in 1934.

The 1998 Holiday Issue of Ring ranked Max Baer #20 in "The 50 Greatest Heavyweights of All Time." In Ring Magazine's 100 Greatest Punchers (published in 2003), Baer is ranked #22. (In my mind, if Max Baer would have had the same desire, intensity and dedication of a Joe Frazier, he could have possibly been one of the top 10 all time heavyweights.)

In the virtual world of Data Boxing 6.0, I will step back in time to the 1930s for a career replay of Max Baer. I will start with the 1930 Max Baer-Earnie Schaaf fight. In re-creating these historical fights, I will utilize Data Boxing's reduced efficiency adjustments in specific bouts for various reasons (for example, Baer was out of shape for some bouts, was hampered by hand injuries at one stage of his career and was heartsick after his fight with Frankie Campbell in which Campbell died of brain injury.)

Max Baer vs. Earnie Schaaf Replay

Background: Baer’s previous fight was the tragic Frankie Campbell bout in which Campbell died from brain injury. Max was devastated by Campbell’s death and was in a period of recovery when he met Schaaf (Baer lost 4 of his next 6 bouts).

Venue:
This fight took place at Madison Square Garden in New York in 1930. I invoked the Rounds plus Supplemental Points scoring system in this replay which was used in New York in the 1930s (another example of the terrific detail in Data Boxing).

In the Data Boxing replay, I utilized the reduced efficiency option and reduced Baer in efficiency as Baer was profoundly affected over the tragedy of Frankie Campbell. Schaaf was represented with his peak ratings.

The DBLINE file Reports…

P = points; J = judge cards; R = judge rounds; N = knockdowns; C = cuts; I = injury; F = fouls


Ernie Schaaf Wu10 Max Baer<< P29.5/14 J9/3 7/3 9/3
R7/3 7/3 7/3 N0/0 C0/0 I0/0 F0/0



COMING UP NEXT: Max Baer vs. Tom Heeney (re-creation of 1931 bout)

Note: This career replay project uses information from Boxrec.com for the real life fight data.


Remembering Max Baer 53 years later..died on this day at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, a historic Spanish-style hotel at 7000 Hollywood Boulevard, Hollywood, California. Max once said, "I never had a fight out of the ring. I never harmed anyone outside the ring. I loved people."

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Baer_(boxer)

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Post subject: Re: Max Baer vs. Joe Louis  PostPosted: Apr 15, 2014 - 09:04 PM



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DATA BOXING 6.0

MAX BAER VS. JOE LOUIS

"Recreation of Historical Bout"

VENUE: On September 24, 1935, Joe Louis beat Max Baer by kayo in the 4th round at Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY.

BACKSTORY: Unbeaten Joe Louis met former champion Max Baer who was off his game as he had been inactive (only one fight in one year and 3 months) at the time he fought Louis. Moreover, Baer went into the fight hampered by sore hands. Jeremy Schaap discusses in his book Cinderella Man: James J. Braddock, Max Baer And The Greatest Upset In Boxing History that Baer's doctor treated his sore hands with novocain before the bout, but it wore off before the bout due to a delay caused by a storm.

DATA BOXING REPLAY: Baer was represented with his past peak ratings (1935-1936) and Louis was represented with his peak ratings (1935-1942). The DBLINE file reports...

P = points; J = judge cards; R = rounds; N = knockdowns; C&I = cut&injury + = 1/2; ' = 1/3; " = 2/3

Joe Louis KO6 Max Baer !PP P31+/11+ J50/43 R5/0 N2/0 C&I0/0

100 Bout Series (set to terminate @ 5% level if significant result achieved)...

Louis-Baer 5Ws-0Ls; 3-0KOs, 2-0TKOs (Baer stopped four times inside of 4 rounds).

COMMENT: In Data Boxing, Baer will always be in deep versus Louis if he enters the bout in less than peak condition.

COMING UP NEXT: Joe Louis vs. Max Baer at his peak.



IMMEDIATE DOWNGRADE EVENTS

Back in 2009, Dr. Julian Compton (aka DrDataBox) started a discussion regarding immediate downgrade events at the Delphi Dbpc site.Click here for the discussion and to see why an evening thunderstorm on September 24, 1935 at Yankee Stadium in Bronx, NY changed the Joe Louis-Max Baer heavyweight fight. Also see the above Max Baer-Joe Louis "what-if" bout (see post of July 4, 2007).

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Post subject: Boxing Trivia  PostPosted: May 24, 2015 - 03:17 PM



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Max Baer's brother, the 6' 6 Buddy Baer, duked it out with trail boss Gil Favor (Eric Fleming) on the Rawhide TV show in the Incident at El Crucero which aired in 1963.

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Post subject: Re: Boxing Trivia  PostPosted: May 25, 2015 - 05:42 PM



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Big_City wrote:
Max Baer's brother, the 6' 6 Buddy Baer, duked it out with trail boss Gil Favor (Eric Fleming) on the Rawhide TV show in the Incident at El Crucero which aired in 1963.


I staged a computer HW tournament for boxers who were in the Air Force which featured Buddy and Max Baer. The results are at All Time Heavyweights:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/drdatabox/messages/?msg=228.1

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